Legal Stage List for Version 0.7

Legal Stage List for 0.7.

Neutral
Battlefield
Dreamland
Final Destination
WarioWare
Waiting Room


Neutral/Counterpick
Tower of Salvation
Jungle Hijinx


Counterpick
Chaos Shrine
Yoshi Island
Saturn Valley
Central Highway

Counterpick/Ban
Galaxy Tours
Rainbow Route
Temple of Time
Hueco Mundo

Ban
Twilight Town
Sector Z
Green Hill Zone
Hidden Leaf Village
Planet Namek
MKII
Hyrule Temple
Shadow Moses
Casino Night Zone
Castle Wily


Enjoy.

Anything about the hazard switch?

Please give an explanation for your stage list.

What exactly needs explaining?

Why are theses stages banned. Why are they tournament standard?
I need a reason to help in my stage design.

We can't answer that. What you asked serves as a major question for applications.

There needs to be a reason, other wise that list is garbage.
You all play on a "competitive level" so you should know why some stages are Ok and some are banned.

Neron wrote:There needs to be a reason, other wise that list is garbage.
You all play on a "competitive level" so you should know why some stages are Ok and some are banned.

There are reasons
This list is not garbage
We do know why
We cannot give you or anyone else the information, because future applicants will be asked such things
Don't make accusations and don't bash towards the members or the information provided here. It's not welcome

perfecthell4 wrote:

Neron wrote:There needs to be a reason, other wise that list is garbage.
You all play on a "competitive level" so you should know why some stages are Ok and some are banned.

There are reasons
This list is not garbage
We do know why
We cannot give you or anyone else the information, because future applicants will be asked such things
Don't make accusations and don't bash towards the members or the information provided here. It's not welcome

I'm pretty sure he really only needs to know for stage design. If he knows why some of the stages are in the banned list, we may have a chance of there being some more legal stages in the future. I'm sure we could PM him some of the reasons.

Ok since there are then why cant you give the information?
What is the point of keeping it secret. None, there is no good reason for with holding that information or posting it.
Bashing? No im not, but withholding information on a stages, status is utterly ridiculous, yet you can show breakdowns for characters.

"We cannot give you or anyone else the information, because future applicants will be asked such things"
Its Utterly ridiculous.

Are you afraid of something or what?
Anyway like i said i need to know why you have stages as banned.

I just don't get you guys... why is it so secretive?

I'm actually with you on this one Neron. I'm not sure why some members don't want to give the reasons for stage legality to a stage developer. It would only help to improve the game...

Why are you guys keeping this information from anyone Not just devs.
why is this information withheld.

Its like your banning stages just cause you feel like it, when you dont give a reason.

The thing is, it's also fairly obvious as to why stages like Castly Wily and Twilight Town would be banned and a stage like Chaos Shrine would be counterpick if you know anything about competitive smash... A lot of the stages in the same category have similar qualities. Stage legality questions are still important in the app process since members should be able to give knowledgeable opinions when formulating the stage legality list. If the reasons were just plastered up there, testing to see if a potential member knows what qualities of a stage make it unsuitable for competitive play would just be a copy n' paste. The application process acts as a screening process; if the reasons were just put up for all to see, it would be a little harder to screen out the people who would just clutter the BR with crap like this:

Lets see for Goku you could side B bombard a bunch of times then do his signature move you and all know what that is. *wink*

On the other hand, I also do feel that the BR should be able to give justification for their decisions when asked. I don't think the reasons for stage legality and tier lists should be confidential, just for the sake of asking questions to potential members. Other questions could be used to help screen out those certain applicants. We will just have to find a different way to ask stage questions.

Oh, I didn't realize that he's a stage dev. Someone can PM him then.

crabbyman66 wrote:On the other hand, I also do feel that the BR should be able to give justification for their decisions when asked. I don't think the reasons for stage legality and tier lists should be confidential, just for the sake of asking questions to potential members. Other questions could be used to help screen out those certain applicants. We will just have to find a different way to ask stage questions.

What other questions? We're doing the megaguide and the matchup chart, then there will be nothing left.

And like you said, stage legality is obvious to people who play competitive smash. That's why it's a necessary aspect of the application process and we can't just tell everyone.

-Aura_Fear- wrote:Oh, I didn't realize that he's a stage dev. Someone can PM him then.

Already did =p

-Aura_Fear- wrote:

crabbyman66 wrote:On the other hand, I also do feel that the BR should be able to give justification for their decisions when asked. I don't think the reasons for stage legality and tier lists should be confidential, just for the sake of asking questions to potential members. Other questions could be used to help screen out those certain applicants. We will just have to find a different way to ask stage questions.

What other questions? We're doing the megaguide and the matchup chart, then there will be nothing left.

And like you said, stage legality is obvious to people who play competitive smash. That's why it's a necessary aspect of the application process and we can't just tell everyone.

But we explain character techniques and explain why characters are ranked as high or low as they are in the tier list. Why can't the same be done for stages?

It's not as if you can't look it up on SmashWiki or Smashboards. It's all there, kiddo.

If someone has a question about a particular stage, sure we can explain that, the same way we explain any other singular item here. But asking us to post up reasoning for all the stages.....that was a pretty general request. He can be PM'd the needed info. It's not that we are keeping it secret just because, we just can't put everything out there for the reasons already stated over the past few posts. And as for why we don't discuss the info openly.....well that's simply because if you have the knowledge to discuss it and contribute, you're already in the BR, or should be applying. Bashing would have been you saying our list was worthless because we supposedly had no reasoning's behind it, and accusing us of being unable to justify stage placings. At least, that's how the wording came across. So for future questions, yes we can answer your questions. But don't expect us to follow each stage with reasoning's. We still have applicants to test

crabbyman66 wrote:But we explain character techniques and explain why characters are ranked as high or low as they are in the tier list. Why can't the same be done for stages?

You can give very general explanations for characters, and techniques are important to advancing the metagame.

I'd point out that you don't want to necessarily design only tournament-worthy stages. The elements that ban some stages make them more fun for casual play

The feature switch allows us some freedom with regards to that - we can make a very fun casual stage, and with the hazards off, becomes a neutral tournament stage. Case and point: WarioWare, once the microgames are added.

Of course, some stages will be banned no matter what, such as Castle Wily. We won't concern ourseleves with the tourney scene except with character balance.


And it's funny how all of the counterpick stages are new to 0.7. Seems like the stages added were good for all sides of the spectrum.

Thanks to all the hardworkers in ssf2 so that we can enjoy this game and the many stages it has to offer

wow, intended to post this in a different thread.


*feels silly*